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3" flute build

Postby beercan » Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:00 am

well here we go, start of 3" flute
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby JayD » Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:59 am

Looking good. :handgestures-thumbupright:
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:02 am

bit more progress
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:07 am

ok so I am throwing 3" in the corner, I ran across some 4" pipe and I am going to start over, shoot and I almost had 3" done!!! :angry-banghead:
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby Swedish Pride » Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:14 am

you can turn the 3" in to a packed column for neutrals
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:03 am

just pack column with copper mesh or ceramic rings? would you still run deflag?
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:57 am

while on subject of packing columns, I have been buying copper mesh for packing and it gets quite expensive discolors and smells nasty after a run so I was thinking I have a buddy that has access to a lot of scrap copper tube such as 1/4 inch, would I be able to cut that pipe into small sections or rings and fill a column with that and have the same results as copper mesh? sort of like the ceramic raschig rings and be able to use them for a long period of time??
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby Swedish Pride » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:14 am

not sure about copper smelling, never ran a packed column, I'm makign one atm though and it will use SS scrubbies as they are cheap and the pipe is made of copper, I reckon that is enough.

and yes, you need reflux somehow since you have the deflagimathingy use that
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby JayD » Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:02 pm

Keep on building it, a 4" is better than a 3" but only in output, and 3"+4"=7" they would pump out the goods. :obscene-drinkingcheers:
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby Swedish Pride » Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:34 pm

do you mean having two boilers pumping out at the same time or how do you purpose using the two columns ?
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby JayD » Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:48 pm

yeah on two boilers, it wouldnt be hard to manage them. :handgestures-thumbupright:
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby S-Cackalacky » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:24 am

OR, finish the 3", sell it, and put any profits back into the 4". OR, donate it to the "S-Cackalacky Distillation Endeavor", where it will be put to good use.
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:28 am

anyone have input on using copper rings for packing? :confusion-confused:
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby Swedish Pride » Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:38 am

it would work but I think scrubbies have better HEPT rating and are cheaper
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:18 am

just getting tired of spending money on copper packing, thought I could spend some time cutting up copper 1 time and reuse them forever if it will work efficiently
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby Zymurgy Bob » Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:06 am

Did you do strip runs through that packing, or only low wines? I'm new to reflux stills and our vodka still is packed with Amphora Society mesh. We only run low wines, and I'm curious to see how long the mesh lasts. Mike at Amphora guesses we'll get about a year out of it.
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby kimbodious » Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:07 am

use stainless steel scrubbies
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50L Beer keg boiler, 2200W element
Modular SS Pot Still 2"
Modular SS CCVM Reflux Column 2"
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby Swedish Pride » Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:42 pm

Is there added benefit to use copper mesh in a copper column?
would the column itself not be enough to ensure good copper contact?

I intended to use stainless scrubbies in my copper column as they are cheap and readily available
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:43 am

not sure what the correct method would be, I always bought a giant roll of copper mesh for a 3" ss column that I use and pack 10 to 12 inches of it in the bottom and put ceramic rasching rings the rest of the way up, not sure if this is correct or not it is a 3" ss pot still column with a doubler in the top and I have been discarding copper mesh after every run, now the 2" boka I built I will pack it almost full, runs great product but is really freaking slow!!!
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby S-Cackalacky » Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:47 am

beercan wrote:just getting tired of spending money on copper packing, thought I could spend some time cutting up copper 1 time and reuse them forever if it will work efficiently

When it becomes funky (discolored), are you cleaning it. Soak it in citric acid and it should be bright and shiny again. I think with most any packing, you'll need to occasionally clean it.
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby Swedish Pride » Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:38 am

I always assumed the next batch of fores cleaned it good enough
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Re: 4" flute build

Postby beercan » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:11 am

almost got shotgun condenser done except for plumbing
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:15 am

almost forgot to add that I have been building an electric control panel with a 5500 watt element that I also just finished up, seemed a like it was going to be a bit harder than it really was, I will post pics of that soon
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:20 am

here is a pic of controller
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby S-Cackalacky » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:47 pm

Looks good Beercan. Have you tested it yet?
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby Bushman » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:26 pm

Sorry about the link to another forum but my post is a bit long. I make my own copper mesh and believe it works a little better and is cheaper than what you buy. ZB I am not commercial but been using this in a 4" column for years. My only disclaimer is I added a little more than the original amount described in the post:
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:53 pm

yes sir tested it with element in bucket of water and works great, have yet to make a real run with but getting close though, sometimes I get too many irons in the fire!!!
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:15 am

started deflag yesterday
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:13 am

need some input on ferrules, the place I buy ferrules from cheap is out of stock on 4" ss ferrules so I was kicking around the idea making my own flanges around 4" pipe with # 4 copper wire but not sure if that would be a good idea on pipe that size, any input?
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby JayD » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:27 am

You can make them out of the small refrigerant tube formed into a ring, silver soldered together for strength then lightly hammered into a flange shape, this is how i do ours.
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:24 am

thanks jay d I think I may try that, in the meantime I am still plugging away as I get parts, here is some progress
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby JayD » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:19 am

I see your grinding your plates round, be carefull as tubing usually has some ovality, we fit ours as we go.
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:29 am

just got em real close, I will do final fit when I get ready to tig them on, I found 4x2 ss reducers with ferrules on both ends on ebay for $20 buck and was going to use those instead of buying 4x2 copper reducers for $45 bucks each, had intentions of using one to connect to keg and one on top of deflag to reduce down to 2" for turn to shotgun does anyone see a problem with that, just thought I could save a few bucks
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby Swedish Pride » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:53 pm

since you have a tig, just tig a 4" ferrule to the keg, it' would be cheaper than 20$ and I've yet to hear about anyone regretted putting a 4" connection to their keg
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:27 pm

haha that's funny you suggested that, I ordered ferrules to do just that yesterday, I have decided to go cheap and add 4" ferrule to keg and make turn at top a flat top, I am going to tig a plate in top of 4" and insert 2" elbows for turn to shotgun and tig them also for strength
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:12 am

made plate tree today
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby Swedish Pride » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:59 pm

looking good, you might want to replace the ballvalve to the RC with a gate valve though.
It will give you finer control over the water flow.
Not saying it can't be done with a ballvalve, just going to be a bit tricky.
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:26 am

I am planning on building another 4" 4 plate section to add on for running neutral's with ferrule's on both ends to join them, I have plates made and all holes drilled in them and once I put plate tree in and weld ferrules on I will not be able to remove plate tree, but I have been reading on filling top section with marbles for running neutrals and that seems to be an option so I guess my question is which is the better way and what are the pros and cons? meanwhile I will continue to research and read :confusion-confused:
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:30 am

decided to make a reducer cap
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Sat May 06, 2017 1:05 am

alright finally had time to work on project
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Sat May 06, 2017 11:49 pm

deflag finished and holes cut in body, ferrules soldered on
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby JayD » Sun May 07, 2017 3:05 pm

it's looking really good, good work. :handgestures-thumbupright:
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Mon May 08, 2017 9:19 am

I know there is a section for this but I'm gonna ask it here anyway, I am nearing completion of various parts for this thing and going to start the cleaning process and was reading about cleaning copper with vinegar and water, will this hurt the ss ferrules I put on copper pipe if I leave them soak in this solution??? it turns out the flux paste I used was not water soluble, whats going to be the best method to pre clean all the parts?? plates, downcombers, cups and such? I understand first run is vinegar and water second is a sacrificial run, but I want to pre clean as much as possible, any suggestions for removing some of the grime before any initial runs? thanks for any help
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby S-Cackalacky » Mon May 08, 2017 10:52 pm

I would definitely focus on some sort of manual cleaning first - hot soapy water and a bottle brush maybe. My first still's piping was much smaller than yours. I used a wad of cloth attached to two pieces of string, soaked in denatured alcohol, and pulled it through the pipes several times. After the manual cleaning, I would suggest the 50/50 water/vinegar run followed by at least a couple of sac runs - more if needed.
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby Zymurgy Bob » Tue May 09, 2017 1:56 pm

Oxy-Clean in very hot water is a pretty good cleaner for those greasy/waxy fluxes, along with some elbow grease.
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby Lowie » Tue May 09, 2017 3:35 pm

beercan wrote:anyone have input on using copper rings for packing? :confusion-confused:


Your looking for surface area, so copper rings would work just fine particularly if you cut them in half (longways) so they can jumble up and mix together if you know what I mean (the hbs ones are kind of like this). Coppers good for removing sulphur.
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Tue May 09, 2017 10:35 pm

thanks for the help everyone :handgestures-thumbupright:
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Thu May 11, 2017 7:49 am

ok so I have hit a road block :evil: the glass I had ordered from vision stills is too thick when a 2" gasket is put on ferrule with one ridge cut off, clamps will not fit around everything, is there different size clamps? it like the throat of the clamps are too small and I ordered 10, anyone got any suggestions
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby JayD » Thu May 11, 2017 10:16 am

cut the other ridge off and make it a flat seal. :obscene-drinkingcheers:
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Re: 3" flute build

Postby beercan » Fri May 26, 2017 5:42 am

almost done!!!
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