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Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby BennyHiggo » Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:28 am

Hello all,
I finally bit the bullet and have made a massive purchase.
The result is that I am now a lifelong member of the bubbler club.
So here he is in all his glory .... I've named him Brian
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby bigfoot » Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:31 pm

Soooo jealous!!!! Nice purchase!!!
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby BennyHiggo » Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:20 pm

Thanks BF!
Just doing a run of CFW through four plates now ...
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Can't wait to see how it turns out
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby kimbodious » Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:32 pm

So you'll be wanting to sell me your old Keggomax then?
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby BennyHiggo » Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:45 pm

Haha I doubt tu will have a need for a second Keggo mate ;-)
If anyone does want to buy my old rig they're welcome though :handgestures-thumbupright:
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby Bear River » Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:08 am

Gorgeous still you got yourself there. Congrats on the new family member.
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby JayD » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:20 am

Nice still...you must be proud of it, you cant take it away from the Chinese their building beautiful stills... :obscene-drinkingcheers:
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Postby kimbodious » Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:53 am

I might have a buyer for your Keggomax - not me.
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby the Doctor » Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:16 am

similar to the still i learned to distill on...you will never look back, that is a still capable of making world class spirits, congratulations, and welcome to the bubbler club.
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby BennyHiggo » Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:08 am

Thanks Doc I am extremely happy with it!
I am strangely enjoying the few teething problems I'm having but at the same time I am making a noticeably different (and better) spirit. I love being able to do single runs through four plates!
I have celebrated this by putting down my first ever rum wash. Looking forward to distilling it next week some time.
JayD ... I hear what you're saying. But the fact is that they are providing some seriously quality goods.
And Kimbo .... Send me an inbox mate I am more than happy for Keggo to go to a new home .... The $$$ will help me on my way to an all grain set up as well :handgestures-thumbupright:
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby JayD » Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:38 am

Like I said you can't take it away from the chinese their building beautiful stills.
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby bigfoot » Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:42 am

How are you finding run times in comparison?
Have you managed to run the exact same wash through yet - that you would have on your keggo? Difference??
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby BennyHiggo » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:13 am

Good question Bigfoot...
I can only do a direct comparison on a TPW run ....
At the moment I am using a 350w submersible pump for my cooling lines and that is definitely slowing me down as it does not produce a good enough flow rate. I assume the pressure created by pushing the water through the the condensers equates to 'head' and slows the flow rate. I will be buying a new pump soon.
This only causes me a problem for stripping runs meaning I can only strip with one element so stripping runs are about 5/6L an hour. I could strip that fast on the Keggo.
Now for the spirit run this still excels. I have more than halved the time for a spirit run. I collected 96% neutral at 2.5L an hour from start to finish so the entire spirit run took about 6 hours. I shut down as soon as tails started.
Where I save the most time is with flavoured runs as I don't need to strip at all. Single run through four plates has been my go to option so haven't tried playing with configurations too much. I can do a 45L flavour run in about 4 hours including heat up. That equates to a massive saving of time and is making a far superior product than the Keggo was capable of.
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby bigfoot » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:22 am

One of my queries re bubblers has always been speed.
If you talk with any of the masters of this hobby, one thing that comes up time and time again is the slower the produce, the better the product - I hear this all the time in regards to pot / reflux stills.
There is no doubt bubblers are the high end of home distilling - does the same rule apply?
You've mentioned 4 hours for a single flavoured run, that's (best southern accent), "pretty darn freak in quick" - so, would slowing the take off to say 5 or 6 hours improve the spirit?

Sorry for all the Q's. one day when finances and priorities allow, I too will walk the bubbler trail, I just want to learn about them a little, as to be honest I haven't seen one running yet.
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby BennyHiggo » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:35 am

It's a fine juggling act BF and one that I have by no means mastered!! You have to balance the speed of take off to master your desired finish. Too fast and there will be tailsy flavours coming through ..... Too slow and you may strip too much flavour. I will run my next one a bit slower and let you know.
I have been following easy guide by heating up with two elements then just switching one off and reducing the flow to the RC until I get a toothpick stream (about 2.5L an hour). This seems to produce a decent amount of flavour but still comes out at around the 92% ABV mark.
I think the true beauty of the bubbler and the main thing that speeds up your run time is that you can collect flavoured spirit at high ABV throughout the run.
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby bigfoot » Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:04 pm

Thanks. It's hard to imagine a 90% drink carrying flavour over.
I strip UJSM and the first runs contain some wonderful flavours but as you'd know - 55% is about it.
When you rerun it and get 90's, you have the flavour but it's not traditionally "strong" (well, hoping to change that with a different technique).
I need to see one lol.
Cheers for answers.
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby bigfoot » Sat Feb 27, 2016 2:08 pm

Sorry, here I go again...

How many plates would be equal to say what would be considered as a normal pot still?

And how many plates for reflux still?

OR is it that 4 plates can be run a certain way to mimic (better) both?

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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby bigfoot » Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:19 pm

And more...again, apologies.

Off the keg, that looks like a 2 inch ferrule, that then expands to 4 inch - would it not allow more vapour if it was 4 inch right through?

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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby BennyHiggo » Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:52 am

Sorry for delay Bigfoot ...
My understanding and experience so far suggests that four plates is perfect for a single run whisky/run wash.
I know that some others use three plates on occasion ... This will carry a stronger flavour and lower ABV so will naturally then require a longer time on oak to come good.
So far I am yet to have any booze run through here that has got to 3 months but the stuff I have add for 6 weeks is better than my previous attempts at flavour.
I think the biggest advantage to this type of still is the distinct separation between fractions ... You are able to heavily compress the heads and tails.
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby Cheersbigears » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:35 pm

Hey Benny
Not sure if you have one of these yet but I run all molasses rums and grain whiskys with the 4 plates and I find that around the 8 minutes for a stubby filled to 280 ml can go faster but I think it starts to smear a little. As my boiler is larger Im still finding the sweet spot for the amount of power. As well I have a valve on the PC even though its open it restricts the flow a little to force it in to the RC.
And I wish I had got this before wasting a year or so with the T500.
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby andy1982 » Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:18 am

Dunno if it can b mentioned here but where and how much was it purchased for
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby Cheersbigears » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:13 am

Hey Andy from a few stars mob like hi five kids show and from $500 or more to start and work up from there depends on plates and size of product condenser etc you go for I got the two and a half inch. I ordered a pot and before I got it up graded no worries.
Cheers let me know if you want more info
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby emptyglass » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:27 am

bigfoot wrote:Thanks. It's hard to imagine a 90% drink carrying flavour over.
I strip UJSM and the first runs contain some wonderful flavours but as you'd know - 55% is about it.
When you rerun it and get 90's, you have the flavour but it's not traditionally "strong" (well, hoping to change that with a different technique).
I need to see one lol.
Cheers for answers.
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Its a leap of logic to understand how 90+% can carry as much flavour as lower ABV does, but it can. Plated columns work and run differently. If it didn't work, no one would talk as though they do.
With a bit more copper in there, they make an even more tastefull product.
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby andy1982 » Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:51 am

I'm building and welding my own but due to having no money this will b a lengthy project
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Re: Neutraliser. 4" 5 plate 500mm packing

Postby Cheersbigears » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:46 pm

Yeah I now where your coming from but a few less drinks now and put that into the still fund and before you know it you will be drinking better than your buying now.

For the top part its around the 2gs for the complete 4" or built up as you can.
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