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Stainless wool comparison

Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby BadAssBass » Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:55 am

What's your method of cleaning this stuff prior to first use?
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby Stinger » Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:56 am

Eagerly awaiting your comparison, Sir Mini.
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby FullySilenced » Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:54 am

Well i would have no trouble cleaning my still out then... most of my stuff is junkahol :laughing-rolling: Keep up the good work little man... :handgestures-thumbupright:
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby Bushman » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:25 am

Did I miss something on your computer? How are you generating the chart?
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby DrWho » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:15 am

Lookin' good Minime :obscene-drinkingcheers:

I wonder how much power can be used on the medium wool. The 3.8 KW is equivalent to 0.95 KW on a 54 mm (2") column. If that can be bumped to say, 6 KW, that is in line with 1.5 KW on a 54 mm column. Should improve the take off rate quite a bit. Which may not even be needed :lol:

Regarding the graph, where in the column is the orange sensor?

Keep this up and I'll have to start logging temperature too :text-coolphotos:

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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby DrWho » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:59 am

minime wrote:Will be collecting more data tomorrow. The bottom sensor is directly above the bubble cap tray.


Oh, nifty/cool 8-) that makes sense, thank you. It really shows what the stretched bubblier is doing. I'm big on data, which is why I used a 40-pin uProc for the power controller. Easy enough to add additional analog sensors to be logged (well, that and I had them :lol: ).

I-knew-that-it-was-only-a-matter-of-time-before-data-was-being-collected...

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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby DrWho » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:41 am

Cheers to ya Mini :obscene-drinkingcheers:

That is an interesting graph. The area that most intrigued me is the temperature at the bottom of the column above the bubble plate. How it dropped some when the output valve was closed a bit. I didn't expect that.

Overall, the temperatures are amazingly flat.

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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby FullySilenced » Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:45 am

On a VM if you close the output valve dosen't it just put more in the reflux condenser which would force cooler material back down the column which would drop the temperature a bit? I think i am correct in this thinking... :confusion-confused: Expound... elucidate... talk amongst yourselves. :grin:
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby DrWho » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:40 am

My thought is that at the bottom of the column, right above the bubble plate, that temperature should be governed by the ABV coming off the plate. Not so much by the volume of reflux being returned to the column.

I realize that this is a short response, but it was just what I was thinking. :confusion-shrug:

On my VM column (54 mm x 120 cm), there is a temperature probe in the take off arm before the valve, and another 2/3rd's of the way up the column. At the 2/3rd's point, the temperature will drop a few tenths (*C) when the take off is reduced. But I've always thought that this was due to an increase in ABV at that point.

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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby timmyjane » Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:55 pm

Any reason to try the coarse? No flooding issues with the medium at all? Still using the 434 stainless and not the 316? Originally you bought a 5# roll. How much of the 5# did you actually use?
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby delta H » Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:27 am

Minime, would you be so kind as to provide a picture showing the tightness of pack in your coulmn?
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby delta H » Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:25 am

Thanks Minime.

Larry, your shipping rate was quite good in my case, significantly less than an order of brewing gear (similar types of items, triclamps etc) we ordered at about the same time... And that was just from across the state.
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby Mooqu » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:51 am

Smaug wrote:Just ordered some,,,,,,,,
As an aside / off topic,,,,,, Don't wanna here squat about StillDragon USA shipping rates from that fella that seems to think I make money on freight to his postal code.
Can I at least buy the occasional roll of tape to pack your order?



Smaug, I always thought your shipping rate was very reasonable. 8-)
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby Mooqu » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:11 am

minime wrote:
delta H wrote:Minime, would you be so kind as to provide a picture showing the tightness of pack in your coulmn?

It's actually very tightly rolled.......even so the rolls are squishy in the diameter but once shoehorned into the column there is very little vertical 'give' to them. I rolled about 4 & 1/4 or 3/8 to go into a 4" column so had to screw/twist them in.



Minime, what kind of stainless steel wool are you using, AISI 434?
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby sweden » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:00 pm

where can I get this wool?
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby sweden » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:08 pm

Thanks :smile: but 222 dollar inkl shipping to sweden,, no thanks,, thanks for the link

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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby sweden » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:23 pm

Yes , it cost to be on the top :smile:
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby sweden » Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:16 pm

I find same in china , so will get price tomorow and will put in al info here for you guys :smile:
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby DrWho » Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:44 am

sweden wrote:Thanks :smile: but 222 dollar inkl shipping to sweden,, no thanks,, thanks for the link

Sweden


That is because they want to use UPS for shipping, they are very expensive. And also charge for customs fees. When I get stuff from the states I request USPS Priority mail. A 6# box is $47 USD to Sweden, and no customs fees.

And priority mail is 6 - 10 days to Sweden, as it is to most countries. 8-)

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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby LunaBrille » Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:29 pm

I ordered some, thanks for the link mini. Was looking at SPP... either importing or making it myself but time wasn't on my side with either of those options.
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby manu de hanoi » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:24 pm

hi minime 434 is also much better than 304 for heat transfer
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby sweden » Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:04 pm

get price from China wth this WOOL

Ps can this compare to SPP??

we confirm the price of 434# 5 lb Stainless Steel Wool Roll .1 pound is 7.35usd . price validity is 30days. our standard weight is 5.5pounds/roll. it means 2.5kg,
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby sweden » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:15 am

will give you the link ass soon I talk to her about transport price ect


with 5 lb how many colum 2" / 2 meter can I fill upp?
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby sweden » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:22 am

wow! thats just 37 dollar + some transpfort to fill upp so many columns

Wating for your test results with much intresst :smile:
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby sweden » Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:10 am

minime you going to to the test this weekend? Pls let me know the results and after that i will make my order and put upp the link for my china contakt here ;-)

40 dollar she take for 5 lb and transport 80-100 dollar total
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby sweden » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:06 pm

Strange becuse This Net are. More. Open Then
SS. Scener
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby sweden » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:09 pm

[quote="sweden"]Strange becuse This Net are. More. Open Then
SS scruber bolls and that is very hard pack. To. Hard
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby new_moonshiner » Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:48 am

I see they also have this in Copper Wool as well , Do you think the results would be similar ?

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Copper-Wool-Rol ... 483f10c1c9
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby sweden » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:26 pm

Total price for this copper is much beter then ss steel,, but my test and test from many in sweden showes if you shuld have 100% no taste in vodka copper is not something yu shuld have
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby sweden » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:27 pm

To make PURE vodka you shuld have ss steel in column , no much copper , make taste liqiud like wisky its okej with copper
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby sweden » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:14 pm

http://abrasiveyt.en.alibaba.com/

There you have guys ;-) ask for this ss steel wool and you get it for good price
and they have this grind wheel to for very good price ,, will buy polish wheen for ss steel and copper ect ect

ITS NOT THIS

http://abrasiveyt.en.alibaba.com/produc ... _wool.html


you nead to ask for the right model as Mimmie shows us and you get price
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby sweden » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:21 pm

Stainless dude ,, thay have this wheel ;-) I will order some from them and grind wheels
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby Philter » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:05 am

sweden wrote:http://abrasiveyt.en.alibaba.com/

There you have guys ;-) ask for this ss steel wool and you get it for good price


Mimimum order 100 rolls?? Good price though.

I've often wondered about ordering from Alibaba - are there any disadvantages?
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby sweden » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:12 am

thay say just minimum 100-5000 pc but you can stil order smal order
Been dealing with china many years , so no worry for this,, some companys want 1000-5000 pc YES ,, but its stil chep even you order this many
Aldepand what products we talking about ,, example this end copper caps same stildragon have I get 3000 pc for 200 dollar I :think:
so its not much money,, but what shuld i do with 3000 pc??
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby sweden » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:20 am

So you mean this can compare to SPP packing?
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby sweden » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:27 am

:violin: :handgestures-thumbupright: Then ist very very chep packing for me and rest off people who bild with 2"

Thanks alot for your test minime
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby hard times » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:35 am

I don't know if this would be of help to you, but
I can buy 1lbs rolls of 316L wool for $40.00 or a case of 12
at $36.00 per roll.
Each roll is 4ins wide, 1/4in thick, 25ft long.
It can be had in fine, medium and coarse.
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby FullySilenced » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:40 am

HT is it a local source or a national one? That's the best price i have seen on ss wool... love to see a link if you can share ..

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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby sweden » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:54 am

my contakt you pay 40 dollar for 5 .5 lb and some fee for transport
so 5 lb shuld cost 400 dollar from that contakt,, BIg difrens
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby FullySilenced » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:28 am

I see that now.... thanks
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby manu de hanoi » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:40 pm

minime wrote:
minime wrote:Unfortunately today's 4" run didn't go well. I suppose I rolled the wool to tight because I had flooding issues from the get go. The 4" column wouldn't handle more than 3kw. I have to shelf this project for a month or two because of upcoming events and obligations but I do plan to continue.

The 3" column will be run again tomorrow by it's new owner. I'll get the results of that effort and post it here.


Although I was not present for the 3" run a couple days ago the results were identical to the last 3" effort excellent. I'll have to re-pack the 4" before trying again but it'll be a few weeks before I get to it.

could it be that the fibers were aligned vertically in the 4" instead of horizontally in the 3" ?
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby LunaBrille » Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:13 am

Doing a cleaning run on with a 20" x 2" section of packing using this wool. Also packed my big baby with some of it as well. So far I'm just letting reflux, I'll chime in as the run continues.
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby LunaBrille » Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:20 pm

Hope I'm not hijacking... Sorry if I am.

The Results were good. Was able to run 1 liter an hour and held just under 95% for a liter and a half. 94-93% for the next liter and a half then tails hit. Only going off the little gauge on the power controller but I pushed 2,200 watts until tails hit and Then cranked it up to 3,300 watts. I really packed the wool in there so I was concerned that I might have overdone it a bit but had no flooding issues at all. So far so good.
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby LunaBrille » Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:39 pm

Smaug wrote:10% boiler charge?


Not sure. Charged the boiler with 3 - 3/4* gallons of 17% but then I dumped in 10 liters of box wine @ 6% and forgot to test... But I'm guessing around 10.
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby LunaBrille » Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:12 am

I tried, but failed. Slowed it down to one drip per every other second after refluxing forever. But this is my rookie season so I'm going to blame it on my driving skills.

I only have the one alco meter ATM. Don't know how accurate it is... But for what's its worth the distillate was very clean and I couldn't really taste anything like I did from the product ran through the copper mesh.
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby sweden » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:26 pm

here is my wool who coming to me soon
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Re: Stainless wool comparison

Postby brantoken » Sat May 04, 2013 1:16 am

has anybody thought of etching?

I have been using citric acid and salt with very good results on regular scrubbies?
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