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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Bluess57 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:12 pm

Bottle conditioning - don't drink it for at least 3weeks.
You will need to prime the bottles when bottling.
Guess you could use pet coke bottles as long as they stay out of sunlight.
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Maheel » Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:53 pm

Loo ....

did you boil the wort after you mashed it with that barley ?
you have me worried with that "addition"....


yes you can use PET bottles

put in about 1.5 teaspoons of sugar in each when you bottle (sugar in 1st)
fill the bottle using a tube so it does not splash
fit lid and screw tight
shake (well i do)
put them in the dark for 3 weeks (or more)

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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby rossco » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:01 pm

Beer is easy everything just needs to be really clean.
Kegs are the go, cornis cost half of bugger all.
Tooheys? eeew.
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Tracker » Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:02 pm

Hey, Loo.
Beer home brew cans have all the instructions on the can.
Follow what they say and you can't go wrong.
After you learn what you are doing and how the process works is when you start to make the changes.
I started making home brew beer from the supermarket ready to use cans some 20 years ago and it worked well for the purpose of the exercise but I still have not been game enough to divert from the instructions. Of course though, I gave up doing that some 10 years ago.
What with Whiskey, Whisky, Rum, UJSSM, etc, I just don't have the time for beer now.

I have tasted some fairly 'shit' stuff from blokes who thought they knew what they were doing. Most of it was tossed down the sink.

I do believe though that there are some very fine beers to be made but I also believe that they do not start with a can of supermarket or even Coopers home brew as the initial ingredient.


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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Tracker » Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:08 pm

Bottle conditioning is the process of carbonating the beer in the bottle.
This is achieved by adding sugar to the bottle before adding the fermented beer.
This is also referred to as secondary fermentation.
It's what adds the fizz to the bottle.
If you use kegs, you do not do the secondary fermentation to add the fizz, you use CO2 to carbonate the beer prior to consumption.


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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby rossco » Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:39 am

Unread postby Tracker » Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:08 pm
Bottle conditioning is the process of carbonating the beer in the bottle.
This is achieved by adding sugar to the bottle before adding the fermented beer.
This is also referred to as secondary fermentation.
It's what adds the fizz to the bottle.


Yes.
This is the reason why kegs are preferable IMO.
Yeast activity conditions the bottle. This activity produces the sediment in the bottom of the bottle.
This is absent in kegs. If they are left for a few weeks even the sediment in Cooper Pale Ale will settle out and the beer will be clear.
The results are much closer to what you might buy in a pub.
Done right it can be as good or better than buying stubbies.

BTW We use Coopers because it is run by an Aussie family who refuse to sell up to the TNCs.
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Zymurgy Bob » Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:31 am

LOO,

I'm guessing that if you spent $6.99 for a kit to start playing with beer, you probably don't want to spend the bucks to buy kegs, CO2 regulator, CO2 tank, and the plumbing to connect them. Bottle condition in the PET containers, which gives you one nice advantage - when the bottle gets hard, you know that secondary (priming) fermentation is complete and it's time to drink the beer. I still bottle, even though my kids think I'm a Neanderthal for doing it, and I often make one bottle in PET, just so I can test for pressure by squeezing.

I dunno what kind of beer kits you have there on Kangaroo Island, but a lot of homebrew shops here make up their own kits, and they can be excellent.
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby stubbydrainer » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:32 am

law-of-ohms wrote:well, if it turns out bad, I'll throw it in the still, hop oils and all!


I've heard it said "NEVER put hops in your still " you can't get it out , and everything there after is tainted with hops
I get excited when I dilute my spirits to 40% ABV...... It means I get more to drink more often
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby FullySilenced » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:11 am

Stubby LIVES! been missing u sir...
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby MitchyBourbon » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:02 pm

I have been making beer for a few years, my son likes it and it gives us something we like to do together. I still bottle my beer. This is the easiest way to do it:

1. Ferment beer completely.
2. Siphon beer to another sterile bucket/fermenter, leaving the sludge behind.
3. For a 20 liter batch, bring 1 cup of water to a boil. Add 5 oz sugar, stir, let cool.
4. Add sugar water to beer mix gently so you don't aerate the beer.
5. Use a bottling wand to fill you bottles.

Using this method makes the carbonation consistent from one bottle to the next.

You can get a bottling wand and some food grade hose to fit over the wand at most home brew shops for a few bucks.

If the beer is an ale it should be ready in 2 - 3 weeks. Lagers may take longer.

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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Frank » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:55 pm

@LoO
I believe that the likely problem you face regarding making a drinkable/likeable product here is in your choice of kit (and its included yeast). It is IMHO, very low quality. (see http://forum.moderndistiller.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=611 for a few personal faves)

That said mate...+1 re starting 'near to' the basic instructions and being extra careful regarding cleanliness = increased likelihood of success. Make sure the FG is stable for a few days before bottling too. I use Coopers carbonation drops for priming, mainly because they work (providing a consistent dosage) and I am lazy. I never bother drinking my beer within 50 days of bottling as IMHO it truly does improve with (limited) aging.

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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby MitchyBourbon » Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:11 pm

I always ferment my beer in the dark or in a bucket. Exposure to sunlight can cause beer to taste skunky. I wouldn't say it will ruin it but why take a chance. Also, keep the temp during fermentation for an ale constant at 65 to 70F. Again, it's not the end of the world If that is not possible.
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Zymurgy Bob » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:16 pm

law-of-ohms wrote:am I saposto ferment the beer in the dark or something?

Not necessarily. Keeping your eyes closed works also.
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby MitchyBourbon » Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:33 am

Zymurgy Bob

Not necessarily. Keeping your eyes closed works also.


I will give that a go. :D
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby rossco » Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:15 pm

I'm guessing that if you spent $6.99 for a kit to start playing with beer, you probably don't want to spend the bucks to buy kegs, CO2 regulator, CO2 tank, and the plumbing to connect them.


I guess that is the point.
Then again for 20c a schooner it doesn't take long for the investment to pay dividends. :mrgreen:
Put a keg on to carbonate before I left for work.
Should be perfect when I get home... Fuckit its Friday arvo. :o
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby MitchyBourbon » Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:36 pm

Dern it... It's only Thursday on the outskirts of Jupiter.
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Tracker » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:16 pm

MitchyBourbon wrote:Dern it... It's only Thursday on the outskirts of Jupiter.



You may wish to move closer to the GMT line ;)


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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Googe » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:49 pm

Mitchy is on the money loo, well said. Bulk priming
its called. If not that way, then go 2 tsp sugar per 700ml. Carb drops are even better. thooheys lager is like grey water haha. Go a briggalow New or europeon lager. 500g light dry malt and 500g dextrose. Can't go wrong and you'll end up with a beautiful beer. Lagers like cold slow ferment, getting it to warm will taste like xxxx lol
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Maheel » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:19 am

it's only been a few days in there mate, give it a week at least

the yeast will "clean" up the brew a bit if you give it a little time...
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby lokibrew » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:27 am

most pale ale's will ferment down to 1.012 or so.

As you make darker/heavier beers, there are enough solids and unfermentables that you will be looking at 1.020-1.030.. so unless you were making an imperial stout, I'd let it ride a little longer.

BUT!!! the beauty of a small ferment in a PET bottle is that you can pour off a dram and taste it!!

Sounds like an interesting experiment you have going on... I've been following a podcast recently http://www.basicbrewing.com where the experience brewers spent some time doing 1 and 2 gallon batches, just to get an idea how a recipe would come out.
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Frank » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:04 pm

Frank wrote:@LoO
...... Make sure the FG is stable for a few days before bottling ....

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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby rossco » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:48 pm

Couple of weeks is a rough rule of thumb for me.
Gives all the shit plenty of time to settle out on the bottom of the fermenter.
Coopers I make finishes at around FG1010-1012.
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby lokibrew » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:53 am

law-of-ohms wrote:Dram?

Just a taste loo


Definition of DRAM

1
a US : a unit of liquid capacity equal to 1⁄8 fluid ounce — see weight table
b : fluid dram
2
a : a small portion of something to drink
b : a small amount
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby crozdog » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:10 am

yeah, but how are you going to seal em?
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby crozdog » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:27 pm

are u referring to screw cap wine bottles? if so, I don't know if they'd hold the pressure. I have mates that use champagne bottles but they use a bigger crown seal on them
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Tracker » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:53 pm

Sometimes the proven product is the easiest. Crown seals are easy to come by and they fit just as well on screw cap stubbies/longnecks as well.


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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Frank » Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:14 pm

@tracker.....mate, your suggestion is entirely helpful etc.....and I have no intention here to appear disrespectful etc.

@LoO If indeed you wish to reuse glass beer bottles...(I do)
IMHO, there is an issue about HOW a crown seal is put on a reused screwcap bottle ...I mean, regarding the potential risk of glass from the threaded neck being broken upon capping....with the risk of entering the bottle upon reopening....this DOES happen (albeit extremely rarely)
and, that said, I would recommend suitable crownseal bottles (eg coopers tallies) if available for reuse and the capping method to be a 'less forceful' option eg bench capper
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Tracker » Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:17 pm

Sorry Frank, I was assuming a bench capper, not the old hammer method.


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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Zymurgy Bob » Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:43 am

Damn, Tracker, I've been bottling for decades, and I always thought I couldn't use screw-top beer bottles for regular crown caps. I'm not really sure when or how I think I learned that, though. Fortunately, I live in the middle of micro-brew country, and virtually all microbrews come in old-fashioned crown-cap bottles, so a scrounge like me always has bottles.

And yes, I use a bench capper, a really old one.
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby lokibrew » Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:43 am

with regards to capping, just helped a buddy bottle his first ever batch of beer.
He had saved up some Sierra Nevada, Stella Artois, and Peroni bottles for filling/capping. If you are not using a bench capper, the articulated hand capper is VERY particular about the neck shape and lip.

On the Stella bottles, the neck was too large to fully seal the crown caps. This wouldn't be a problem with a bench capper, but is something to be careful about when grabbing bottles.

the old advice around screwtop bottles is based on the minimal lip provided, and the tentative nature in which a crown cap locks onto the threaded top. If you compare, you will see that the crown top can actually curl under the mouth of a pull cap bottle, where it only grabs onto the threads of a screw top.

Lots of options, and experimenting with your local supply is really the best way.

And never.. no always.... measure your priming sugar.. unless you really want to test the strength of your caps and bottle walls

http://www.tastybrew.com/calculators/priming.html
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Googe » Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:30 am

Don't be such a tight ass :lol: and go get some pet bottles from Woollies, $14 for a box of 15. Use them over and over and over again. I just sold 200 of them.I had laying around, could have gave you some if it was the right timing. There cheap as chips on Ebay and gumtree too. You should be using bottles that have a gas rating, softdrink, beer extra. Wine won't be gas rated which could result in boom :lol: .
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Tracker » Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:46 pm

Until you are thirsty.


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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Tracker » Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:12 pm

When I was making kit beer, the quantity of added sugar determined the alcohol strength and at that time I believe a can of Coopers Draught recommended 1 Kg of sugar to make 20?+ something litres so, yes, I would say your 1/2 kg would have been a bit light on.


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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby MR-E » Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:30 pm

law-of-ohms wrote:First time I've every tried making a beer.....

Don't shoot me ......

1.7kg Kit, Tooheys Draft (wollies had it for $7.99!)
4kg of flaked barley mashed out
0.5kg of brown sugar.

made out to 23L

SG = 1.044

I'm hoping for a %5 beer.

Just an experiment to see if I can actually make beer.

Can I use 1.25L coke / pepsi bottles to bottle it in?

Also wtf is bottle conditioning and what do I need to do it?

-LoO (the virgin beer brewer)


Hey Loo, just had a look at your recipe & have a suggestion.
The next batch you do, don't use normal sugar, use dextrose instead.
This should give you a better taste in the finished product.

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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Googe » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:14 am

Ha im tight too loo lol. We'll done with the bottles, I lead you astray sorry, I ment bigw not wollies :oops: . Them carb drops are good, sooooo easy :D .
I've always used 2 tsps punkin and never had a problem. 1 tsps is way to under carbonated for me, I like a bit of head ;) .
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby MitchyBourbon » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:39 pm

Hey Loo,

My son is home from school for Thanks Giving and we just finished brewing 20 liters of "Petes Wicked Ale". It's a kit we picked up from our local hbs. Should be done just in time for Christmas! In the meantime we are sipping on a very nice honey ale we brewed last month. I hope you decide to. Continue brewing beer its a whole lot of fun, almost as much as brewing bourbon.
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Frank » Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:29 pm

@LoO...mate, I 've been doing kit beers (off and on) for about 25 years and IMHO, if you choose to keep kit brewing (and further to comments made above)

if you are prepared to pay about 75c-$1AUD per tallie of finished product:
dont use sugar, use malt extract...liquid is best but dried ok.... and (maybe) dextrose
dont buy cheapsh#t kits, they make cheapsh#t finished product, no matter how hard you try (its the nature/quality of the hopped malt AND the yeast that you pay for)
by all means pull back on the recommended volume of water in the wash, but not more than, say, 20% without adjusting the amount of additives to suit
keep the fermented beer in the 'container' for well over a month b4 consuming

if you dont want to expend that amount of coin or effort or time:
kit brewing is much less likely to produce a product you will aspire to repeat etc
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby FullySilenced » Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:03 am

You go Frank. Well Said!!!
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby rossco » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:31 am

That smell changed my life and i will be an allgrain brewer for as long as i have left. You can add fresh hops to a kit beer too, make sure you buy pellets from a hbs that keeps them in the fridge with the yeast. Then you can either add some when you finnish boiling the sugar and extract for great aroma and flavour or add some after 5 days to the fermenter in a voile bag for a great hop aroma.


Agreed hops are the ticket.
I'm lazy, I buy a hops tablet from BigW break it in half, add half at the start and half later in the ferment.
Less for a lighter style beer like a lager to drink on a sunny arvo out the back.
I know it is bottom feeding but it works for me. :mrgreen:
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby lokibrew » Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:14 pm

Loo. You already know how to ferment. Why are you pussy-footing around with tinned malt kits? Might as well get a Mr Beer and use their kits. No bottling!

Just put up a brew in a bag all grain porter this evening. Going to ferment 1/2 with two chipotle peppers and the other half with vanilla bean and bourbon. I could have run a strip in the time it took, or done both!


Seriously though, the sky is the limit on brewing. But canned malt is the worst.
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Aussiedownunder » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:01 pm

Next step is branch into kegging then you wont look back
If its free pick it up
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Tracker » Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:24 pm

LOO, Why do you not start with a standard can or package of brew, follow the instructions to find out how it tastes before you start to improve the mix???



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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Frank » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:18 pm

+1 Tracker

@LoO here's two you cant fail tips regarding kit home brewing:
1. if its clean, clean it again anyway.
2. when at all in doubt, follow the instructions.
Glad you liked it anyway mate. Dont forget to keep some for a month or two so you can taste the difference. ;)
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Maheel » Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:42 am

law-of-ohms wrote:Ok,

While the first batch is sitting... I've put down another.
1 tin of coopers mexican style.
made up to 1/2 volume so 11L in total with 250g of SUGAR (dont yell)

The mixture seems not to bitter at all, I guess the mexican style is very lightly hopped.

Using the mexican style and only 1/2 the ammount of water I'm hoping for a stronger abv


Loo i actully think your lowering the ABV here as you have used 1/4 of the the extra fermentables but looking for more ABV ?

the mex is lightly hopped

the higher FG might be from the "extra" malt (unfermentabls) from not diluting to 23l

i am concerned your creating bottle bombs but...

if your liking that 1st K & K you did start getting the gear for BIAB and your will be blown away by the tastes :)
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Re: Beer newbie questions

Postby Sadi » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:56 pm

I am sure it tastes as good as it looks :handgestures-thumbupright:

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